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Postby Martin0642 on 20 Aug 2007, 15:02

This is what we took and what I thought of it….I hope it’s of some use to others doing their first camino.

Please bear in mind that these are personal opinions and a lot depends on your personal comfort levels, level of fitness, your own body’s reaction to a wide range of variables…and the fact that we did this in August whilst it was extremely hot!!!

Less busy times probably wont necessitate a sleeping mat (for instance), colder months probably wont benefit so much from the freeflow pack (in winter I would actually advise against it as you may get colder, faster). Like I say this is just what worked for us on a 13 day trek from Leon to Santiago in the first two weeks in August. Which I will definitely do again!!!

Pack: Berghaus Freeflow IV (for me 50 Litre for my partner Shell 32 Litre..and a womens design)

I know 50 litres sounds a lot and many people do this with way less but I found it perfect for two reasons. 1. The Freeflow packs have a weird design to keep the pack away from your back so its cooler (which is fantastic!!!) it works but it also makes it harder to pack so I say go a size bigger than you would normally choose to accommodate that. 2. It allowed me to carry more food which was very useful for those lunchtime hours when everything was shut!! I thoroughly recommend these packs for the warmer climates/months.

Boots: We both used Meindl Borneo Pro’s and loved them. This is despite them eating our feet in the first week because they weren’t sufficiently broken in. They are leather with NO gore-tex lining. I really don’t understand gore-tex in shoes. With a few exceptions its usually a very bad idea. Gore-tex is a PVU sheet with small holes in it, with a membrane on the back to protect it from the damaging effects of oils and sweat from the wearer. The idea is the holes will let water vapour out but not let water drops in. That’s it. eVent is the same thing but redesigned to do away with the protective membrane. Ok there’s a bit more science here but that’s basically it…. On a very hot dusty track (as a lot of the camino is) your boots will quickly get coated in dust. The dust will clog the pores. Your feet are then in plastic bags inside your boots. Not good. Some boots manage to deal with this but I’d recommend taking good advice on them first! Even leather boots need rinsing off each night to stay breathable. Whatever you choose, unless you are a very experienced walker (in which case why are you looking here) you need ankle support. For that I think you need decent boots. Spend the money!!! They don’t need to be leather like mine (but I will say my feet were happy in them and no hotter than in fabric boots) but they do need to be good. Cordura and similar fabrics are great…very tough, lightweight, very water resistant.

For those are about to take me to task on this and say “Why I did the camino in a pair of flip flops and was absolutely fine” – I congratulate you but I think it’s dangerous to suggest sandals/running shoes or similar to people doing this the first time. Imagine you’re a relative novice walker, imagine you’re going down into Molinaseca with no ankle support and your ankles are already weakened by the trek so far. Not good…. Each to their own of course but listen to your body. If you’re doing a long haul then you will be going down some steep slopes with loose rocks. If it’s raining it will be slippery. You can drive for months on motorways with bald tyres and no problems but would you take the risk if you had the choice?

Sleeping bag: Snugpak Travel Lite’s Cheap, pack small, not too hot but warm enough when needed. Not a lot else to say really! You could get by on a liner bag in the warmer months but I welcomed the bag, especially for the little extra padding and the warmth when we got into Galicia. Some of the nights were VERY cold. Personal choice as ever, but I think unless you’re going in the depth of winter a 1-2 season bag is enough. 20+ people in a room generates a lot of heat!

Sleeping mat: In the busier months I would say this is essential. We used Alpkit Slim Airic’s – a fraction of the price of Therm-a-rest but every bit as good I think! It packs small and doesn’t weigh too much. As I said earlier you probably wont need this in quieter months though – but July-Sept it would be advisable. I only used it once but I desperately needed a good nights sleep and a stone floor wasn’t going to provide that without the mat!! It was also nice to chill on :o)
Clothes: All (almost) specialist technical fibres but you don’t have to spend a fortune. For men Next (a UK high street store) do a range of men’s underwear called “Ultra Active” which does the whole wicking thing. And they’re great. Used them in horrendous temperatures and they worked a treat. They don’t seem to do a women’s range but almost any modern synthetic fibre should be ok. Just don’t use cotton!!!!!! (Unless it’s specially treated and even then I’d be suspicious) Cotton holds something like 4 times its own weight in water (ie sweat) and doesn’t give it up easily.

We had three sets of clothes (each bagged separately so as not to fish around for socks, shorts, tops etc – makes washing easier too!) but you could get away with two. No really….you can. This is a camino not a fashion show and you soon wont care anyway!! :o)

Trespass do a good range of t-shirts and zip-offs which are cheap and good quality. (Again UK high street) For socks we used smartwool and I probably wont use anything else now. I also tried bridgedale (ok but not great – but last longer than smartwool) and 1000 Mile (love em for trainers and light boots and short treks – but not for serious stuff).

Wash bag: Toothbrush, Toothpaste, Stick deodarant (use a crystal deodorant, ammonium dioxide I think…brand name is Crystal Springs. No smell, stops bacteria growing REALLY works and is very light. One stick will do two people about a month). All in one – hair/body/clothes wash from a specialist store. That’s it. What else do you need? (Note the word NEED) For a treat I had a very small travel size Lynx shower gel – didn’t need it in the slightest but I loved having a nice smell on my body once a day!!

First Aid Kit: You can buy a lot out there and a wider choice than the UK. For instance we can get Ibuprofen gel – which is good. There you can get Diclofenac Gel which is WAY better! Over here that’s prescription territory. It is fantastic stuff for swollen ankles/knees/bruises etc.
I needed to re-stock my kit twice but then it was used for a few people. Main things were: Compeed and Needle & Thread for blisters (if the blisters persists or keeps coming back then use the needle and thread it will heal much faster…just makes sure you keep it very clean) Antiseptic Spray, Crepe bandage (for strapping up swollen ankles – yours or someone elses!) Micropore or elastic, adhesive bandage; plasters; anti-histamines (for bites as well as stings); rehydration drinks (a few sachets wont hurt and they’re cheap), tweezers and scissors (I took a swiss army knife which was all the blade/screwdriver/scissors I needed)

This is essential, travelling on foot in countryside, especially places you don’t know, without a first aid kit is just plain dumb. End of.

Water bottle – you really only need one decent sports waterbottle. Very cheap to buy – about 75cl. I took two but one was a “proper” aluminium one – which tasted weird. So I used it to keep water in and then poured it into the other bottle to drink. On a side note – Isostar tablets make a fantastic tasting re-hydration and energy drink – they’re cheap and they don’t take up much weight/space. Only found them on the internet though.

trekking poles/walking sticks - are a personal choice. I really needed a stick and was glad I waited and got one out there. If you don’t know how to use trekking poles properly then I wouldn’t bother. The key thing with whatever you choose is that it supports your arm….if it’s a straight stick a loop of leather or something then your hand should rest comfortably in that loop at about 90 degrees. Otherwise you’ll get blisters from trying to grip a straight, varnished, pole. Mine had an inverted L shape so I had a form of handle on the top which was invaluable.

Whatever you take make it as little as possible….try putting a small bag with a 1kg weight on your back and then wearing it all day. See how you feel after that and then think how you’d feel with eight or 9 times that amount. Once you get past 10-11 (unless you’re quite big) it’s going to get crippling very quickly!. To keep documents in decent ziplock bags or see thru plastic pencil cases work well.
I’m sure many people will disagree with bits of this but I think for first timers it would work ok…. Hey if nothing else we might get a debate out of it!


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Postby Joseph Chan on 21 Aug 2007, 00:23

Martin0642,

Thanks for sharing your fantastic packing list, it is the most practical and well researched views on what was packed .... and most important why it was selected. I thing Ivar should put this up as a yardstick to follow for prospective pilgrims even though most items are UK brands.

To put a spanner in the works .... assume you had to reduce the packing list to the absolute bare minimum, could you reduce the packed stuff even more if you can restock as we did on the road and sent ahead a change of clothing to Santiago for the final return home? As a challenge reduce by 30%? How did the original pilgrims manage with sandals and a clothbag slung over their shoulder?

How critical is carrying sleeping equipment in summer? Is there a problem for the albergues to have sufficient blankets and mattress with pilgrims supplying their own liner --- or stay in hostals/hotels/B&B. We are not purists and we are at ease not having to torture ourselves to fight for the limited sleeping spaces during the summer peak.

We found that our body easily adapted to the weight and strapping/webbing of the backpack (10% of bodyweight) after a few days, with adequate washing and drying facilities we found that we overpacked and that one set of clothing could have sufficed in summer, the men could go commando or buy disposable underwear. The heaviest weight was the huge chip on our shoulder which rapidly dropped off during the journey.

These appear to be hypothetical questions but your posting are the most practical, unemotional and generous comments we have seen so far and the most useful.

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Postby ivar on 21 Aug 2007, 07:23

Great post Martin! I made it a "Sticky" post, meaning, it will always stay at the top of the list of posts in the "Equipment Question" sub-forum:
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... this way we will not "loose" this post once time go by.

Thanks Martin!

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Postby Martin0642 on 21 Aug 2007, 08:51

Er....wow - thanks for the comments!! Didnt think it was THAT good!! However....turning to Jo's spanners in the works....

The best way to reduce that packing list I would say is DON'T GO AT THE BUSIEST TIME OF YEAR!

Had we not gone when we did the sleeping mat would have been pointless. Unfortunately EVERYTHING from O Cerebreiro onwards was booked well in advance and that left an awful lot of pilgrims fighting for the very limited municipal places. Personally I think the albergues should be licenced and not allow bookings, but I guess a prvate business is allowed to do as it pleases. Given all this the sleeping mat was very welcome. We did stay in B&B's on occasion but we also stayed in albergues that supplied no bedding at all and consequently the sleeping bags were also welcome. I think thats a personal comfort thing...how much do people want to step outside their comfort zone? I guess that may depend on your reasons for doing a pilgrimage but personally I feel no need to punish myself more than the walk itself (and the sun) did. And whilst I agree that the original pilgrims were indeed hardy people for not having all this stuff......i bet ya anything they would have leapt at it given the opportunity!

I think one set of clothing is possibly going too far though!! How exactly do you get from the shower to the washing machine and then out to the drying line without upsetting people??!!! He hee.....

On a more serious note there are valid reasons for having 2 sets I think. Clean clothes are psychologically helpful as well as just nicer than the sweaty ones! Its also much nicer for everyone else around you when you cant get your clothes washed that day. (which in the busy months does seem to happen)

Disposable underwear?!!!! Interesting idea....I think i'd rather have a couple of pairs of cheap technical fibres and wash them but each to their own :)

My pack weight started quite high but was about 9kg when I checked in at the airport on the way home so a lot of it was food and water. (or i had a small stowaway) which I didnt mind carrying. As you say you get used to the pack weight fairly quickly.

Which brings me neatly on to two points I should have added in the first post:

1. Whatever pack you take get it properly fitted. Both Shell and I had occasions when shoulder straps got caught and slightly adjusted..but didnt notice til the weird pain went down one side of our necks! The weight should be carried on the HIP BELT, not the shoulder straps. They are there to stop the pack falling off. So pack the heaviest stuff closer to the bottom or failing that as close to your back as possible. The higher the heavy things the more you will suffer. I had sleeping bag, mat and fresh change of clothes in the bottom compartment of my sack which meant i didnt have to empty everything out to get at it all. My washkit was at the top of the main sack so I could get sorted at albergues without too much unpacking/packing. The main body had the sundry stuff....torch (get a SMALL one!!! Headtorches are very invasive), Isostar tablets, Adaptors, phone charger etc...

2. Waterproof rucksack liners are a great invention - and horrendously overpriced. A rubble sack (or something similar from a garden centre) will do the job perfectly. They're light, tough and waterproof. And cheap :)
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Postby Joseph Chan on 21 Aug 2007, 10:40

Hi Martin0642,

Thanks for your added and useful comments, Yes I agree with Ivar that your posting is a classic and should remain on the top .. not only because it is excellent but you are maintaining the thread most promptly.

I must apologise when I wrote earlier on that carrying one set of clothes could suffice, I meant one SPARE set of clothing. I agree a 67 year old wandering around in the albergue in his/her birthday suit after a shower waiting for his/her only set of clothes to dry would stretch things too far.

It is good to have this debate off to a good constructive start.


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Postby Martin0642 on 21 Aug 2007, 12:46

:lol: Thank god for that!! I'll be honest I was beginning to wonder if maybe you'd become one of those people who'd one camino too many... :shock:

But I agree. I found havign a 3rd set was useful for me and I didnt mind the small weight increase but as with so many things its very personal. I think 2 sets of clothes in all is a good rule (with one extra pair of socks and undies maybe?). Sending a 3rd set on is also a good idea so you have an alternative for santiago.

On that note I should say...check the calendar before you send! We met people who didnt get their stuff picked up the day they arrived only to find the office was closed for the next two days for religious festivals! Ok if you have time to spare but many were on tight schedules.
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Postby Martin0642 on 23 Aug 2007, 17:56

As ever there was something I forgot to mention on the list (and probably several other things but i can only remember one right now! :roll: )

Waterproof Jacket/Poncho/Fleece

As ever its your personal comfort levels that will make the decision but I took a Mountain Hardwear rainjacket and a microfleece from...er.....Mountain Warehouse (which is an internet shop not a brand..as far as i know!).

The fleece fitted nicely in the compression straps on the side of the pack and weighed virtually nothing. It was really welcome on a couple of nights but I could have done without it.

The jacket was lovely, perfect for wet weather and because it was a "proper" trekking jacket had under arm "pit zips" to help ventilate it on climbs. Which is a point.....no matter how "breathable" your coat fabric - if it's raining and you're exerting yourself you will get wet. From sweat. The breathability thing depends on differences in temprature and humidity between the outside and inside of the jacket. If its raining its more humid outside and if you're hot because you're climbing a hill...its colder outside. So the breathability thing doesnt work so well. There are jackets that can apprently deal with this but then you're talking SERIOUS money. Up to you..

Poncho's are a great compromise and will avoid the water going down your back between you and your pack (not nice when it starts to cool!) However spend a bit of money on them, the cheap ones ar just glorified carrier bags only much less useful. The only downside of a poncho is its not very warming.

So I would say Poncho + Microfleece....OR...decent lightweight breathable jacket. :lol:
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Postby lynnejohn on 23 Aug 2007, 20:43

I have always used a waterproof poncho with a fleece under it for cold rains, but I recall someone posting that they couldn't have survived without their waterproof pants. I usually tucked my pants into my socks or wore shorts if it was too muddy, but I wonder what you think of waterproof pants? We had so much rain on this last Camino that I kind of think they might have been of benefit. I haven't investigated them thoroughly, and I think they are quite heavy, which might keep them off my packing list.

I'd be interested in others' opinions and experiences. Thanks.

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Postby Martin0642 on 23 Aug 2007, 22:40

If i was going on a serious trek in the uk i would probably use waterproof pants. Chances are it would be a camping trip and even if it wasnt I would be staying in places unlikely to have a spare washing machine (we really do need albergues everywhere y'know!)

On the camino though...or at least the little bit we did...I'd use technical fabric trousers. Lightweight, wicking, quick drying. If they get soaked they get soaked...your legs are waterproof and the ones I had dried very quickly. Putting a soaking pair up to dry in a hotel bathroom had them dry by morning with ease.

But then i havent done the camino in pouring rain so that may change my mind!!! :shock:
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Waterpoof Overtrousers

Postby windeatt on 24 Aug 2007, 12:45

It was me that mentioned the waterproof overtrousers.

I took them thinking I would probably ditch them quite soon but we had such bad wet weather this May in France that they proved invaluable for keeping me not so much dry as warm. There was one day when we walked acroos the Aubrac plateau (1,300 metres high) in freezing wind and rain and I hadn't put them on - my legs were soon soaking and so cold in the wind. My companion was in a similar state and could barely speak.

If you are walking in warm weather then they won't be necessary but if you are up high in less than summer temperatures then they make a lot of difference - especially if you are old and a bit rheumatic. Mine only weighed 200 grams and were absolutely waterproof. But I have since bought another pair that weigh only 110 grams - untested as yet.
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Re: Equipent list and opinions from recent camino

Postby omar504 on 24 Oct 2007, 23:45

To a certain extent what you take is personal preference. I was often shaking my head at some of the cosmetics women took-moisturiser,cleanser,shampoo,conditioner,foot balm,nail polish (true!)etc etc.All this stuff weighed between half to 1 kilo! I took a bar of soap to wash me, my hair,shave with and wash my clothes. My main point is take what you like but limit your total weight to about 6kg.
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Re: Equipent list and opinions from recent camino

Postby Joseph Chan on 25 Oct 2007, 19:40

Hi Omar, your first sentence says it all. Advise on packing based on past experience as given on first post gladly accepted but final decision is always yours. Personal choice dictates what one takes.
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Re: Equipent list and opinions from recent camino

Postby Martin0642 on 28 Oct 2007, 10:52

I would definitely agree that the bare minimum of toiletries is needed - they're usually liquid so that means a lot of weight. I'd hesitate to say 6kg, I think thats where the packing becomes personal. My partner struggled a bit with about 8kg but for me it was like I had nothing on my back....when i was wearing her pack that is!

If you're going in a group it may be worth splitting some stuff so you all have a comfortable load. For me I was quite happy with 11kg and could easily have carried a bit more with no great disconfort.
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Re: Equipent list and opinions from recent camino

Postby lcarmony on 04 Mar 2008, 04:04

I have heard of the need to take something to make hot water in the morning for a cup of tea. Is this something that is worthwhile or is it better just to find a place for a morning cup of tea or coffee?
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Postby Mouse on 04 Mar 2008, 07:40

lcarmony wrote:I have heard of the need to take something to make hot water in the morning for a cup of tea. Is this something that is worthwhile or is it better just to find a place for a morning cup of tea or coffee?


I haven't done the camino yet but from what I understand the cafes etc don't open until about 9.

We taking something to make coffee in the morning as my hubby cannot function before that first cup.
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Postby spursfan on 04 Mar 2008, 10:03

Yes it's true that in some places cafes that open early are thin on the ground - but, for instance, I can remember after Roncesvalles lots of walkers walking for a few km and stopping at the next village for coffee

And I'm not a coffee drinker but surely part of the pilgrimage just for a few days or weeks is breaking life down into what we really need and what we've grown into thinking we need purely by force of habit
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Re: Equipent list and opinions from recent camino

Postby lckgj on 04 Mar 2008, 13:31

I regard myself as a coffee addict when at home but preferred to start the day on the camino with orange juice (though sometimes had a coffee too if it smelled too good to resist!)
I used the John Brierley book to plan my breakfast break and was usually able to stop for breakfast after about 5kms-8kms of walking. It always tasted SO GOOD after an early start and a little exercise! It would be about 9am by this time so bars were usually open. I would check the night before that there was somewhere appropriate to stop within a reasonable distance from the albergue and if not would buy some bread, cheese etc and a carton of juice to take with me.
I thought about taking a coil water heater when I walked a section in November but the mornings were darker so it was not possible to set off before about 9am and so the bars were open then anyway. Personally I would not bother with the weight of a heater, mugs etc. I never went without breakfast and twice was accosted by spanish locals in the morning and fed and watered at their insistance.
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Re: Equipent list and opinions from recent camino

Postby Martin0642 on 04 Mar 2008, 16:46

With a couple of exceptions we always managed to find somewhere to brew up - usually in the alberque kitchen. We took small sachets of all in one coffee and whitener; admittedly not the best coffee experience but very welcome at that early hour. And you could get quite a lot of sachets packed into the thermal mugs we had. Perfect. I would however, avoid the ones with sugar in, i have a sweet tooth but they were waaaayy over the top.

So - the short answer is: you can often make your drink in the alberque but failing that you wont have to walk for too too long to find somewhere. Most cafes dont open very early but to be honest - we never had to wait til 9 to find one. That was august though so it may make a difference.
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Re: Equipent list and opinions from recent camino

Postby Minkey on 05 Mar 2008, 12:16

My kit list for my last few Caminos is as follows:

33 litre pack
Compact sleeping bag
Gore-Tex Paclite jacket
3 x technical t-shirts
3 x pairs of underpants
3 x pairs of socks
Shampoo
Toothpaste
Toothbrush
Sun cream
Paper
Safety pins
Pen
Hat
Small fleece jumper
sunglasses
Swimming shorts

Of the "3 x" items, I'll be wearing one set at any one time.

Zip-off trousers rock.

Oh... and TOILET PAPER!
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Re: Equipent list and opinions from recent camino

Postby notion900 on 13 Jun 2008, 20:12

Thanks to all of the above posters for stressing the importance of keeping it LIGHT... I see so many lists of 'must-takes' on websites and every shop you go in has some new and useless travel gadget. I agree about the airflow bag, they are wicked, if you use a water bladder they also keep the water off your back so it stays cooler. I love mine. I walked from St Jean to Santiago with a bag that weighed 8kg - it was a 35 litre Berghaus. I spent more to get a very light sleeping bag and never regretted it. I took a pillow case which I thought was a luxury but was well worth it as some of the pillows are grotty. I took no mobile phone and didn't miss it. My tip on clothing is to look at running and cycling gear: Saucony t shirts are superb: pack into nothing, wick sweat and dry in 5 seconds flat, you can even put them on straight from the wash. Rare Species make great womens treousers. Don't take cotton if you can possibly help it, and remember: denim is the work of satan!!
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