Make sure to also visit
our Camino Wiki

Search this website using google

Welcome to this Pilgrim Forum

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, less advertisment, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features.

Registration absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact Ivar at

Sign up here

Theft

The camino is and has been a safe place to be, but lately there have been a few incidents. Have you heard of anything or experienced anything bad on your camino? Please remember to indicate the location of the incident.

Theft

Postby boothcj on 04 Aug 2008, 15:01

Whilst staying at private Albergue O Durminento on the night of 03 May 08, the next morning I found my battery electric shaver missing, despite an extensive search. I had used it the previous evening. It was reported in the Albergue 'day book' where they insisted I give the value and my full address; if found it would be sent to me or I would be refunded. [b]It was the Albergue who insisted I gave this info![b] I immediately reported the matter to the Policia Local at the Sarria Ayuntamiento who made out an incident report, which I have subsequently em to O Durminento.
It is disappointing that the Albergue have not done what they said they would do. I have offered to send the original of the Police report.
Needless to say, I watched my property like a hawk after this incident.
boothcj
0-5 posts
0-5 posts
 
Posts: 2
Joined: 04 Aug 2008, 14:21

Re: Theft

Postby Rebekah Scott on 04 Aug 2008, 15:32

This just in from Thomas, a Dutch hospitalero/pilgrim/traveler just coming off the Camino del Norte and Compostela area: Theft is big this year, with so many tourist-pilgrims, drifters, and just dishonest people around, mixing in with the throngs. Watch out for a few things:

People in groups... young people, or younger men in groups, (sad to say mostly Spanish) who sit and quietly watch activity in a loose group. They usually arrive early at the albergues, and leave early. If you have left your phone plugged-in to charge overnight, or you´ve left laundry on the line outside? It may not be there when you wake up.

If you put your mobile on charge, do not leave it unattended. Mobile phones are a favorite target. If you bring along electronic devices do NOT leave them in the albergue when you go out, not even deeply buried in your pack. Take them with you. (Or don´t bring such things along on the camino.) Try not to present a good target: If you were a thief, where would you look for valuables? Who would you choose to hit?

If you hope to travel the next day with food, do not leave it in the shared refrigerator overnight. The people leaving earlier will often assume it´s been "left for the next guy," and help themselves. If you want to eat perishable food, do it in the evening or get up before everyone else and eat it. Don´t carry perishables with you. They might perish.

Thomas has lots of opinions about these things (you should´ve heard the snort he made when I mentioned a missing electric shaver!), and I´m sorry if these appear to be "no-brainer" suggestions. But you can´t be too careful. ... And if you are paying next to nothing for night´s lodging, don´t expect the innkeeper to pursue legal claims for you. There´s just too much else going on in his world to bird-dog your minor claim through the byzantine Spanish legal system.

Travel safe. And if you lose something, maybe it is an opportunity to learn how much you can do without?

rebekah (who´s lost an awful lot out there)
Rebekah Scott
160 or more posts
160 or more posts
 
Posts: 247
Joined: 15 Sep 2005, 02:11
Location: Moratinos, Palencia Spain

Re: Theft

Postby John Hussey on 04 Aug 2008, 16:19

Have things changed so much since I did the Camino Frances in 2005 and the Via de la Plata in 2007? The above post was not my experience at all. I felt i could trust my fellow pilgrims, and did so. But, I did keep my most valuable possessions with me at almost all times in a 'fanny' pack. Occasionally I would forget and leave even the 'fanny' pack on the bed when I went off to shower but it was always there when I returned. I am hoping that the above post is just an aberration of a particular place and a particular time and is not representative of the entire Camino. That is my wish!!
John Hussey
140-160 posts
140-160 posts
 
Posts: 153
Joined: 26 Jun 2007, 14:10
Location: Florida

Re: Theft

Postby oursonpolaire on 04 Aug 2008, 16:30

In 2007, I did notice some among the pilgrims whose eyes darted about, checking out packs and equipment rather than their fellow pilgrims. They were rarely seen more than 2 days' away from a major centre and rarely seemed to have done much hiking. With increasing numbers, it is likely that there will be an increase in those whose motives are less than pure, and without becoming paranoid, it might be useful to keep Dutch Thomas' advice in the back of one's mind.

Cellphones and digital cameras are easily secreted by wrongdoers, and easily sold. There is also a roaring trade in Canadian and US passports-- to the point that the Canadian Embassy in Madrid has a staff member who is almost full-time dealing with Canadians whose passports have been stolen or lost. As far as electric shavers are concerned, the male pilgrim should embrace the opportunity to grow a beard and identifully more fully with the lot of the pilgrim over the centuries.

My own experience is more like that of John Hussey, but it can't hurt to keep temptation out of the way.
oursonpolaire
100-120 post
100-120 post
 
Posts: 114
Joined: 04 Apr 2007, 21:17

Re: Theft

Postby JohnnieWalker on 04 Aug 2008, 16:30

Alas, I fear these very simple and sensible precautions are necessary. On the VdlP there may be 6 or 8 people in an albergue but as you know John on the Camino Frances there can be 30...40...50... and at the height of the season hundreds walking each day. I think we have all probably had experiences of people about whom we have been suspicious and also those pilgrims who appear in an albergue one evening and then you don't see them again - this is not making judgements simply agreeing with Rebekah that sensible precautions are always necessary.
London UK


Nunca se camina solo
User avatar
JohnnieWalker
160 or more posts
160 or more posts
 
Posts: 621
Joined: 09 Jun 2006, 18:50

Re: Theft

Postby falcon269 on 04 Aug 2008, 17:43

A scam popular in South America, but known to occur through the world, is known as the "Mustard Scam."

From TripAdvisor: The scam is this; someone squirts mustard or some awful goop on you and then points it out to you and offers to help clean it off. Normally two people are involved in the scam. Sometimes they clean you right on the spot but most often they will try to take you to a bathroom where they clean you up and clean you out of your money. Most times they get the wallet out, the money out and/or credit cards and the wallet back into your purse or pocket before you even notice it is gone. And geez...they seemed like such nice people! Heads up! Never accept help for getting cleaned up.

If Camino crime is on the rise, expect the Mustard Scam to show up!
falcon269
100-120 post
100-120 post
 
Posts: 113
Joined: 11 Jun 2008, 18:53

Re: Theft

Postby Alan Pearce on 07 Aug 2008, 21:40

The only experience I heard of theft on the camino this year occurred at the old monastory in Leon on the night of April 28th. A friend of mine was walking part of the camino only to support a relative who was determined to spend a week on the road to Santiago. He had blisters, and did not really want to be there. His estimation of the camino slipped even further when he had several hundred euro stolen from under his pillow while he slept.
Alan
Alan Pearce
20-35 posts
20-35 posts
 
Posts: 20
Joined: 20 Jul 2008, 05:40

Re: Theft

Postby viajero on 07 Aug 2008, 23:07

I walked the Camino Frances in March and had no problems myself but...I left the Camino for two days to visit friends in Vallodolid. When I was away, a young woman that I had met on the Camino had her camera stolen. It was from one of the Albergues between Fromista and Mansilla--I don't remember exactly. She believed she knew who had stolen the camera but had no proof. It was just as in the stories mentioned above. A guy who had not been on the camino long (nobody recognized him nor had anyone else met him) surfaced for a couple of days and a few things went missing including my friend's camera. She kicked herself about it as said that she had been careless but had become so accostomed to trusting everyone. This was in March and there had been few pilgrims. Naturally during Semana Santa, a lot more pilgrims appeared and this was one of them. A couple of days later we met a Swiss gentleman who had left his bag unattended briefly and had cash stolen. He too regretted being careless. I always kept my "valuables" which I guess were limited to money, passport, credit card, bank card and camera with me at all times which I guess everyone should do although we wish we didn't have to.
viajero
80-100 posts
80-100 posts
 
Posts: 81
Joined: 08 Feb 2008, 01:25


Return to Camino Crime Watch

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests